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Nicole ([personal profile] trickykitty) wrote2005-06-29 11:33 pm

Cliche: Life is a Joke, and I'm Missing the Punch Line

For some reason I thought about this passage this evening. It comes from The Birth of Tragedy, written by Nietzsche.

Oedipus, his father's murderer, his mother's lover, solver of the Sphinx's riddle! What is the meaning of this triple fate? An ancient popular belief, especially strong in Persia, holds that a wise magus must be incestuously begotten. If we examine Oedipus, the solver of riddles and liberator of his mother, in the light of this Parsee belief, we may conclude that wherever soothsaying and magical powers have broken the spell of present and future, the rigid law of individuation, the magic circle of nature, extreme unnaturalness - in this case incest - is the necessary antecedent: for how should man force nature to yield up her secrets but by successfully resisting her, that is to say, by unnatural acts? This is the recognition I find expressed in the terrible triad of Oedipean fates: the same man who solved the riddle of nature (the ambiguous Sphinx) must also, as murderer of his father and husband of his mother, break the consecrated tables of the natural order. It is as though the myth whispered to us that wisdom, and especially Dionysiac wisdom, is an unnatural crime, and that whoever, in pride of knowledge, hurls nature into the abyss of destruction, must himself experience nature's disintegration. "The edge of wisdom is turned against the wise man; wisdom is a crime committed on nature": such are the terrible words addressed to us by myth.

It hearkens to the idea that ignorance is bliss. Extreme intelligence, knowledge of nature's secrets, are a curse. When you seek to know answers, you seek your own demise. I find it an interesting corollary with the biblical text of Adam and Eve being punished for eating from the Tree of Knowledge.

[identity profile] truevil.livejournal.com 2005-07-03 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
That's why I've always like Nietzsche. It seems like the world of pain he traversed just to write sharpened his words with an unnatural clarity.

[identity profile] trickykitty.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Ironically, The Birth of Tragedy was one of his earlier manuscripts. He even writes his own Preface 20 years later in which he says he almost regrets the book because, looking back, he felt that he was too immature and his ideas were too rash(?) to discuss the ideas he wrote about in the book.

[identity profile] truevil.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
From the vantage of years? Seems about right for him.

Sorry no other way to contact you

[identity profile] fleurrette.livejournal.com 2005-07-04 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi,
Before the next session we need to chat a bit about the upcoming session. I did a bit of catch up with Kevin last night and learned some things which will be kinda important. What we desparately need is some sort of organization and information pooling otherwise we are gonna keep running about madly till anyone of several baddies takes a shot at us or brings their Evil Plans to fruition.
HUGZ
Lili

Re: Sorry no other way to contact you

[identity profile] trickykitty.livejournal.com 2005-07-05 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure thing. {myLjname}@charter.net is my email. (not putting full address to avoid spam) I'll give you my phone number via email. So far I'm free anytime this week except Friday 10a-12:30p.

[identity profile] dantex.livejournal.com 2005-07-18 05:49 am (UTC)(link)
Reminds me of the comments made by the scientists involved in the Manhattan Project after it was complete, and they had unleashed a nuclear hell on Japanese cities. Knowledge is power, and with power comes responsibility. The cliche of "only use your powers for good" also seems to fit.